thank you, Cindy for your thought provoking post and well thought through points. I go back and forth on this. and remain open. the safe space issue is important to me. and our job as editors is to keep the space safe. From inappropriate or hurtful or non-empowering verbiage from whoever. We have had to reject articles from time to time for a variety of reasons. My question is would it be worth losing women who rely on this space to open up to men who may or may not even respond to that opening. I respect men who respect that women, or people of color or other oppressed groups need a space that's their own. Those men probably wouldn't submit especially if they've been following this debate. Yet those would be the most supportive men to hear from. Isn't there a pub for men to support each other on these and other topics? anyway, I so appreciate your post. thank you for sharing it!!! All the best!!!